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Arjun: It is safe to say we are in a century defined by acceleration, ai, climate change, politics, shifting identities. It's difficult to grasp completely what's what's happening around . Science Writer - Yuval Noah Harrari often reminds us that the most important skill of the 21st century is the ability to learn.

But before learning comes probably the readiness to learn and before action comes awareness. In this episode, we enter an intimate classroom setting at RV University. Dinesh who's heading the Transdisciplinary Design Studio, leads a series of lectures around. Mindsets, exploring ideas like abstraction, toolkits, prototyping, and what it really means to learn deliberately.

And he explores a deceptively simple question, what is a mindset? Is it fixed? Is it fluid? Is it chosen?

Welcome to Inflection Point series. This is Innocence Theory, and today we speak about mindsets.

Understanding the Fluidity of Mindsets

Arjun: what's your general take on on mindsets?

Dinesh: I, I think, when we say mindsets, there is this, there is this impression that, okay, this person, uh, this person's way of thinking. It's, it's like this, you know, they are in that particular state. Um, either they're generally curious or generally anxious or, uh, very positive. you know, you can, you can have a set of words that describe the, largely the thinking behind, uh, someone. 

Arjun: it's almost like the clothes that you wear for a certain event,like. You know, you know that you're not gonna wear it for long, you know that you need to dress up for the occasion.

Dinesh: Yeah.

Arjun: it's almost the equivalent of that, how to dress your mind for the occasion

Dinesh: that's a good, that's a good analogy. Yeah. 

Arjun: I've been, I've always been fascinated about mindsets and. I always believed it had a longer impact. And I always think when you have a mindset, you have a mindset, like mindset. It's, it's set in stone, right? the outcome is victory. it's always the goal. But, um, I guess I've changed that mindset overall.

Dinesh: Uh,

I think for everything there's a stage zero or a stage minus one, everything that you're trying to do. And I put stage minus one as the mindset piece of it. It's almost like what needs to happen before anything needs to happen. 

Set and Setting: Preparing for Great Experiences

Arjun: there is this very, common phrase set and setting.

they use this whenever you, you are in the context of having great experiences 

when you're designing something for a great experience, the set and setting matters quite a bit, both in the way it is being delivered and the way it is being consumed. So setting would be an environment. It'll be the space, it'll be the company, it'll be the design of, that context fully.

A set would be the equivalent of a mindset. what the state of the person is, what the state of that situation is, the environment is. And when you are able to factor these things, you are able to navigate for that time period.

All of those things better. You are able to absorb better and, there's this feeling I get when I think about mindset. It is a configuration that you set your mind so that for a small limited time window, the signal and noise becomes very different. It's you telling yourself what the signal for now and what is noise for now.

 and each of those configuration has different meanings for it.when you want to, go into a performance mode, there is a configuration for that. When you want to go into a learning mode, there's a configuration for that. And that configuration is almost very personal. It comes with different people.

It is, it changes with time, it changes with age. It, it's changes with geography.

So, I found it particularly useful to think of empathy, right? Like, when I find it difficult to empathize, mindsets were a great tool to look at it that way. For example, if it's a party, people enjoy certain way, which may not be my, my style and hence that experience design would be very different.

And I'm talking in first person, but I think the same principles apply to problem solving or, distilling a problem statement from something and trying to solution something out. I think. I think those,those are good extensions to keep in mind when you approach this, 

Toolkits for Problem Solving and Learning 

Dinesh: Yeah. Yeah. the, the idea of, um, a tool bag, you know, is, is a good metaphor, I feel, like how,how does a tool bag of a physicist look like? And if he's going to watch, a sport and if he sees a ball swing, he's gonna see so much in that. Right. As opposed to others. he's gonna have a varied different, take on it.

 So it's gonna be very, yeah. Um, he is, he is gonna be very heavy on thermo dynamics, the physicality of why that happens. Maybe the dew the grip and the slip in the hand. And like, there'll be so many factors, which he would consider, to explain that phenomena, to understand that deeper. if you take the tool bag of, a lawyer.

say if there is a, some, some sort of a violation that happened or maybe if I am a lawyer and maybe if I'm given a ticket for, violating a traffic rule, then I'm going to see it very differently as opposed to a citizen because my toolkit is solid. I know what, what is the law that I have broken I, I probably, have a very good estimate of the consequences. This, this is it. Maybe, you know, maybe I'll have to pay a fine of 200 and then largely there's nothing else to really worry about. Um, so, yeah,I think based on how we are, educated or based on what's the background knowledge and our experience, we have this, robust set of toolkits.

and we can choose to add a lot of tools or take few tools out for a, a given situation. Right. You, the tool bag sometimes that that inventory, uh, uh, you need to pick the set of tools 

like okay, when you're going for, this particular, say, a difficult conversation that you're going to have with, the higher up. what, how does your bag of tools look like? And,and if we extrapolate that to the context of, what's happening around currently with all this, 

polarization, in the political space. with so much of changes around happening, with respect to ai, and technological advancements, climate change in this context, how, how would someone's tool bag look like? Or what, what would be worthwhile to, carry in your tool bag? Is, is the conversation that, um. Is, is what the course attempted to do, is what the course, um, tried to do. Yeah.

Arjun: I was wanting to bring that So you delivered a specific course in the university. Uh, can you, can you share some details about this?

Dinesh: yeah. So this was a elective course for the, Uh, final year design students, where the course was called mindsets and, we explored certain, certain features of mindsets that would be useful in the current changing landscape. Like one was, probably, probably the most important one is the, the mindset of learning.

How, how would you, how would you exist in a space if you are thinking about effectively learning? So that was, was an important piece. and where students chose. A particular act, uh, something to learn.

 one, one student chose how to dj. Another student chose how to whistle. one. Student chose how to pickpocket, so they were asked to, choose anything that they wanted to learn, and then document the whole learning process. and create some sort of a framework for themselves as to how does, how does a, a learning journey look like? So they had to, um, not document, they had to journal the, the journey. And understand what it takes to learn anything for that matter effectively.

Classroom Recording - Why should we learn

Dinesh: First is, um, the ability to learn

The learning attitude or if you want to call - the learning mindset itself

We have to, it's, it's a meta skill. We have to learn how to learn.

Yeah. 

It's almost like a Superpower, right? 

If you figure out how to learn.

So, and why is, why should designer, why is it essential for designers to be good at learning?

If things become clear to you, 

yes. If things become clear to you, you can situation then what is,

why should you be good at learning?

Student: To understand the problem better, so that we can ideate

Dinesh: Yes. Only when you're able to learn and understand the problem, able to a solution to it. Everything is constantly changing. So there are couple of things which are very interesting.

Most of the time we are not, we are not going to solve only designer problems. Right. Designers, we are in the problem solving space and problems can exist in any space. Right. You, it need not be only confined to product related, UX related. Yeah. Even if it is ux, your context is going to be different. So it is essential for us to.

Understand about any field, like how do you quickly understand about something, right? You guys are working on systems thinking, right? We are all working on, uh, financial, uh, fraud and scam and snake bite, and, you know, so many different things. So you will have to get good at learning. Yeah. So how do you learn that is something that is going to be an overarching theme for this particular course.

Why do this course? and why do it now?

Arjun: Why did you choose this topic or the way you chose to do this this way as opposed to having to do a course literature based lecture?

Dinesh: Oh, that's a good question. So, this is book, by Yuval Noah Harrari called 21 Problems for the 21st Century in the 21st Century. I think it's his third book after, uh,Sapiens and Homoteus and, uh. first of all, it's a very nice book. Um, for, for, it does not get the credit the book needs to get.

but it's like nicely simple chapters 21 chapters. It has about some of the problems, uh, that we are likely to face. and this was written what I think about six, seven years before.

One thing that struck to me when I was reading that book was that, in this current, 21st century, one of the, key, um, abilities for us to be relevant is the ability to learn, and learn at a much faster rate because we will end up doing certain things and then by then things would've changed. So we will have to adapt. That means we are going to learn something else. Right?

So adaptability, learning something new or, being agile, that's like the feature set for being relevant is, is what I took from that book. So how would a course be, how would a course be if you're driven towards just the meta skill of learning and not uh, not learning anything specifically, how would that look like? Something that I was thinking for a long time, and so that's how I, I landed in this.

Connecting Threads - Zooming Out

Arjun: There's a thread running through this conversation that's easy to miss if you're listening too fast. It's not about thinking harder, and it's about thinking at the right level, knowing when to zoom in and when to pull back far enough that the shape of what you're trying to observe becomes more useful 

Earlier in the conversation I described mindsets as stage minus one. Through configuration before action comes the set before the setting, the silent permissions we give ourselves. And what is signal, what is noise? What matters now and what can wait . In Dinesh's classroom abstraction. Prototyping are all now tools for gaining perspective and learning becomes a conscious act rather than a passive one.

But as the conversation evolves, so does the idea, maybe mindset is not just the stage before action. Maybe there are earlier stages still. Let's return to the classroom. I. 

Classroom Recording - Explaining Death to a 3 year old

Dinesh: There is, uh, okay. I think maybe the story will help. So I have a three and a half year old daughter. Yeah. Mm-hmm. She has this, she's always curious and she keeps asking questions. Um, and yeah, I, I try to not discourage questioning and also I try to answer the questions as. Close to the truth as possible and not bullshit.

Yeah. And that is a very difficult stance to take around a 3-year-old. Yeah. If you've got niece and nephews, you probably, but there's once, I think we had a death in the family and she asked why people die.

What? What, what, what would you say?

Depends. The person, he's a three and a half year old, ah person died. She, her question is a little generic why people die.

Student :I say something along the lines of - They have a better place to go to

okay, but I don't want to bullshit. You are trying to be very realistic than actual. So that more people can be born

Student : You can create a story out of it - You know this is what happens

Dinesh:  No, no. There's some interesting answer. Wait.. What was yours? 

Better place to be. Okay? There is truth to that, yes. But this is a rabbit hole, which is difficult to come out of. Okay?

Yes. New people can be born? 

I need to test. New people can be born without old people dying also 

Yes,

A simple question. No, a simple, straightforward question

you have to say For a 3-year-old 

I,

yes.

Heart stopped working. What is hard? Okay.

What did I say? 

Why do people death? 

Why do people, it is a simple question. If a three and half year old asks, we really don't have an answer.

I don't know. I tell her many times I tell her I don't know, but here I know to a certain extent, but I cannot appropriate for her age. I cannot abstract that idea to her age each.

Right. And you get these questions in different forms. And even if you managed to go with the fir one of them, then you will get stuck in the second. I don't, I think I told They grow old, so they die. Then she asked why do they grow old? Yeah. That's a valid question. Why do people grow old? No, that I don't know.

right? There are questions, simple questions, relevant questions. If a three and a half year old, a 3-year-old, old asks, we don't have answers.

Yeah. In the context, like you might be very smart, you know, you might move everything and all of that, but you won't be able to answer because you cannot abstract the concept. But if you can abstract the concept, then you will be able to answer it. So how do you abstract? Alright, so on that we will have an exercise.

Why Abstraction is important

Dinesh: we had a discussion on abstraction. I thought it was essential for us to understand abstraction because when we learn or when something is taught, there is a level of abstraction that happens. we simplify it to a certain extent. Um, I thought it would be essential to understand the degree of simplification, you know, to what extent something is, abstracted or just the idea that what you're learning is not the whole, and you are learning a version of it.

Okay. This might be a good example if I have to, if you have to explain AI to, an 80-year-old. how would you do that? Because constantly there's this, there are a lot of new things that are going to come out and we are, in the space of having to explain and teach it, to a wider audience. Right. Some people might be old, some people might be technologically advanced, some people might not be technologically advanced.

we will have to figure out a way to abstract, ideas effectively.

Yeah. Um, so that was something that, uh, we did and followed. Following that, we had an exercise on abstraction they were asked to explain the game The game that they played the previous day in, in two different contexts.

 One to a person who's just outside who is curious as to what they were doing, what game they were playing. And another context where some, one of the students is have to make a decision as to whether they wanna join their game, their board game or not. So they will have to explain the game to them.

So it has two different levels of explaining the same game. 

Um, have you seen that? Um, famous Picasso, bull Picasso's bull.

Arjun: No,

Dinesh: so Picasso draws 10 bulls. The first one is, is probably like, almost like a photograph, which has got all details to it, horns, and this and that. And, it looks like a full bull.

And in the second he chooses to lose, some features. and in the third, even more so, by the time he is in the 10th one, the bull just consists of five, six lines, but that still communicates, that it's a bull. and if you look at each of those 10 pictures, there is a degree to which that abstraction has happened.

Arjun: I guess I, I look at abstraction, in ways that help, maintain trust, maintain. relationships. for me, abstraction is a tool when I can calibrate for safety, trust, being able to, communicate. These are all, Uh, outcomes of being able to abstract well,

Dinesh: how do you connect trust with it?

Arjun: if I am given a piece of information and the emotional residue of that information is that I feel you are withholding information from me, then I might not trust you enough. At the wrong abstraction level, you have assumed my participation to be at a certain stage, right? My trust is, is a function of how much I am, we are able to meet at both vulnerability as well as functional layers. So for me, abstraction is, is, is a huge implication of, of, uh. Trust. It was so much an architectural principle. Even when we designed solutions, technology solutions. What, uh, what, in fact, we designed technology by frontend backend. There are names given for all of this, right? So what, what goes to the front is less abstracted, one of what goes behind the scene.

Dinesh: Another thing that I want to, speak about um, prototyping. The idea of prototyping. You know, first of all, it's, it's, it's a, uh, it's a very mindset oriented word. the reason I say that is, like, say for example, if you're going to.

Perform for an event. Like maybe you play for bands, right? if you think about your performance as the ultimate thing, like, you know, you're gonna deliver, then there's a certain kind of pressure, uh, and then there's a certain kind of,

Outlook that comes along with it. But if you have this way of looking at everything as prototypes, okay, this is just going to be me testing this idea of me playing, and then there're gonna be many more of these performances and this is just one of them in certain configurations or context. then, then it's, uh. It's okay. it doesn't feel that, heavy number one and two, you have a, uh, a very reflective approach to it because you perform and then you come back and then you reflect on it. Like, okay, what worked, what didn't work? Okay, if you have to change something the next time, what would I do about it?

You know, that kind of a thing. So essentially you can look at all the things that you do as prototypes that you're doing, and you'll be doing more of it.

Arjun:  for me, this is a permissions issue more than a mindset related work. A word, a mindset is essentially permissions. You're telling yourself, right? It's a configuration of permissions. In this, you are allowed to see this.

You are not allowed to see this. You are allowed to take this in seriously. You're not allowed to take this seriously and. You are just bucketing things that your, your sensory perceptions can take. And conversely, you are also allowing yourself to be in, in ways where you, the way you function also has certain permissibility.

I can say this, I cannot say this. I can do this, I cannot do this. And if this happens, it's okay. If this happened, it's not okay. So. I feel all of these are permissions that you explicitly deal with, and they, they're glorified in that state where they, they become mindsets for functioning. Prototyping is, I think a larger outlook comes, right?

Like when you look at prototyping if you maximize the places where you're prototyping and minimize the places, everything else matters seriously. Life generally tends to be a little more happening and happier place.

Dinesh: yeah, for sure.

Do you need Theory to learn? or can you learn your own way?

Dinesh: 

I kind of had this view that animals learn. Kids learn, right? and they all do it without knowing the theories of learning, right? They learn, through play. they learn it through mimicking. They learn through environment, they learn through mistakes.

So. do you really need the theory to learn? So that's where I came from.

Arjun: Exactly. You don't,

Dinesh: There's a lot of research done on how best you can learn and all of that. Uh, I, I'm yet to wrap my head around it or, uh, you know, I have not read those, um. Uh, and neither did we discuss any of that in, uh, in the, in the class, what we discussed was about unlearning,

Arjun: Hmm.

Dinesh: which is do we really unlearn?

Uh, was, was the question? Uh, um, yeah. So I have certain hypothesis around it. My view on that is that we really don't unlearn, you know, it's un there's always that residual network that is there. It's just that portion of the bandwidth is allocated to something else because you're not, you're choosing to practice something else. Uh, is, is what I feel.

But yeah, unlearning as a, as a word, I think it helps, uh, in a lot of places. It, it allows people to let go of certain things and then look at something, look at the same thing in a different way. So for all those purposes, it's, it's great.

Arjun: if your current state of being prohibits you from learning, maybe the knowledge of how to learn will help you remove those blockages in between

Dinesh: Yeah, exactly. So that's, that's what I feel, that there might be certain places where there is a plateau that you hit.

Right.if you want to break that glass ceiling, then you might want to know some of these.

Arjun: Hmm. do you know about the state of flow? Have you heard about the state, the flow state 

Dinesh: Yeah. 

Arjun: right.

creative, creatively speaking, or even during design, most of the work we try to do are to reach that state, essentially, right? And once in that state.

Everything we learned seems to be not necessarily relevant anymore because in that state everything just happens. You are just flowing, you are creating, you are writing, you are doing stuff. And everything we do before or after is trying to get that and trying to observe that state.

 When you define systems or when you're trying to design some stuff. And you're trying to identify different paradigms, different rules, constraints or methodologies.

These are all towards to reach the state as, I don't have the words yet for it, but what I'm trying to indicate is introduce this concept called flow state. If you are also familiar, the only experience can get to that, right? So introduce that. There is a target state called Flow State, and everything is just descriptive and reflective. You only describe things to get into the Slate state and you only reflect back on it, and it's important as a mindset to be able to reach there.

The reason why I bring it up is without knowing that you are all in that state without knowing at what point it was there was some momentum. These are all ways that you see it, right? there's no repetition to this. You can only try and anticipate what were the preconditions.

You can only try, or rather try and describe what are the preconditions, try and anticipate that will repeat in the future, right? So many things have to happen for that thing to happen again, but there is a sense of flow in that. 

 it is true for most people who are in the state of create, creating arts, it's all true. Everything is true in that space. you want process where you don't want to do this consciously I want outcome. you follow process and put faith in the process to lead you somewhere,

Dinesh: Right.

Flow State Basketball Story 

Arjun: There's this one experience I've had. Uh, maybe, I think maybe it's a good time to speak about it. Um, this was, I think you're aware, right? It was once I was just learning this, I was

Whenever you say maybe it's a good time to speak about it. I feel you've done something mischievous.

Dinesh: No, this is, uh, fairly straightforward. Uh, so it was, there's, there was this time when I was heavily into learning basketball, right?

 this is one particular move, called Behind the back where you, where you dribble behind, And I was trying to learn that. and then there is this no video in YouTube.

It's a very common move. That move is one of the basic three moves that you would lead for ball handling and, and then all the videos that is there on YouTube about how to learn that those videos are only useful if you already know how to, do that move.

And then I bumped into like third or fourth or fifth page where there's this, I, I think that that kid must be probably eight years old. And that kid tells you how to learn that move from scratch.

And this, I am seeing this video in the night at around, 12 o'clock and he was like, okay, this seems like this is like a breakthrough. Okay, fine. This is, we can learn it this way. And then I start learning basketball in my apartment at 12 o'clock in the night. And, I can't go outside and learn because we have restrictions.

So I start dribbling inside the house only. 

Arjun: Mm.

Dinesh: so I kept doing that. I did that, I don't know, man, for like three continuous hours. Okay. Then it became like almost early in the morning. Then I was feeling tired and I slept. And the first thing I got up, I got up maybe, I don't know, maybe two, three hours later, and I re and I couldn't believe that I actually learned it.

So I wanted to test it. Whether do I have, I actually learned it because it was like, I couldn't believe that, you know, uh, it like that can happen in such a short time. So I was like, did I really have, did I, did I really get that superpower, you know, that, that, uh, that Spiderman scene is where that guy goes, you know, terrace and tests. Yeah. So I went and I tested it, whether it is this is still worked, I still remember. And then I realized like, yeah, oh, okay. I'm not bad man. This is, this is how it is. I, I remember

Arjun: Suddenly a new world would emerge.

Dinesh: New World has come.

Arjun: The possibilities that look, fog is lifted.

Dinesh: Yeah. So that is a very clear state of flow that I remember, you know, like,

Arjun: you cannot, um, you cannot formulate your way into it. Right. you can only describe how that state was. In hindsight, you can only. Approximately lay the foundation for everything else to hopefully get into that state, 

Like it should be like, if you're ever trying to do something, create something, try to be in a state of flow and, and the flow of foundations, if it came from a place of ethics, goodwill, all of those things, good things will happen eventually. Don't formulate the way to do all everything.

Dinesh: 

Student Podcast Excerpt 

Student 2: Hey guys. I'm Shreya Srinivas I'm Harinita. I'm Pragnya We are UX design students from RV University Bangalore, and this is not a podcast.

Student 4: In calling this out of the box and thinking through the lines of design methods.

Uh, mostly because the entire time we focused on stepping a little out of our comfort zone, but also taking it lightly and trying to finish something that we probably never attempted before. Mm-hmm. The entire process, looking at it as a designer and how it'll shape your thinking, your empathy journeys and stuff as a designer probably 

yeah, that was a nice. 

Student 2: Yeah. What about you? What did you feel from the whole experience? Uh, 

Student 6: so this whole course has proved me that, um, you know, if you have a misconception that you can't do something, I think we all stick to that.

Mm-hmm. Like, you don't actually give it a try. Like, for example, my cartwheel you or you can need to, like, I, I always had this thing, oh, is not for me, so mm-hmm. 

Student 3: 

Student 6: So, uh, I think learning new things every day, like it's kind of a new experience.

Like when you start learning out of your comfort zone, you think, oh, I can actually do it, but I've been living that, oh, I can't do this at all. Mm-hmm. So, uh, it builds the confidence in you at the same time, uh, same time it breaks that I can't do something that I can't do, I can actually do it. Mm-hmm.

Concluding Thoughts - Just Do It

Arjun: What is 2026?

Dinesh: 2026 mindset is, um, it's all that, that was already there. Prototyping, problem solving, curiosity, the idea of tools, abstraction and, you know, that that gamut that we discussed. adding to that, there are certain other words, um, like I wanna keep things simple.

Arjun: Keep it simple, stupid. 

Dinesh: yeah. KISS 

Arjun: it's called? 

Dinesh: and I think it is coming from, uh, from a very personal side. because what I've realized is I, I, I, I tend to look for. structure and organization more than it is needed. So sometimes you don't have to think through it so much, just get onto business and just do things. Uh, is is one addition I have made to the tool bag

because we are interfacing with the world that's changing at a rate which is faster than our comfort zone for faster than the rate we are comfortable with.

so which means that we need to learn, we need to be aware, we need to be cautious about, things at a scale, which is very imposing.

 and for me to be able to stay afloat. Being okay in that context.

Not making some, uh, not making, uh, mistakes that could be costly. keeping people around safe, people who you care, who you love you being able to give them the right advice, doing the basic, things around life for you to be able to do that itself. Demands you to be very agile. for you to be able to, Survive in that space. a course or a mindset of this nature will help, right? it's not, uh, about a superpower that you'll be able to be in the top of the world. And if this almost feels like a bare necessity.

Arjun: Yeah.

Dinesh : It is almost like, okay, now, the world is going to have, there's gonna be water everywhere. So you learn to swim and then you also learn to learn to, uh, fish. You also need to learn to deep dive You also need to do all of that,

Arjun: So if you are someone who's feeling that the world around you is changing faster and that the rate that you're comfortable with, you are not alone, we also feel the same way. We have some techniques that we are trying to learn to adapt. We are trying to discuss it, we are trying to decipher it. We are trying to address it in the way that is.

More fathomable and more manageable. And if you're a student, specifically a design student, you can always reach out to us. We leave the coordinates in the episode. 

Dinesh: yeah, like if they have some, strategies or approaches, we are open to hearing that. 

Yeah. if you have figured it out, let us know.

Let us know. Yeah. Or if you are in the process of figuring it out, also let

Arjun: let us know soon because we might change.

Dinesh: Yeah.

It might change soon.

it might change.

Outro 

Arjun: Consider this. A 3-year-old asks, why do people die? It's a simple question, and yet it becomes difficult to answer. Not because you don't know, but because you care. You wanna accommodate more in your response. You are calibrating for their age, their safety, their truth. That instinct, that careful calibration is empathy in action.

And there lies abstraction as a tool not to withhold, not to hide the truth, but to preserve trust and safety and the other person's agency to understand things on their own terms. And that is a mindset. And here's what becomes clear by the end of the conversation I visited my own framing mindset is probably not minus one, it's stage minus three.

If you think about it, the first thing to realize is probably that there exist toolkits. These toolkits help us design. They help us solve problems. They help us look at problems differently and. The first thing to acknowledge is that there exist toolkits. It's almost like the arsenal of, of tools and and weapons that you can use to navigate the world and to solve the problem at hand.

And when you decide what you really care for, and these set of tools quietly emerges for your access The way you choose these tools becomes your mindset. That's a deliberate configuration. That's a certain permission that you give yourself to see a few things as signal a few things as noise. And in a highly polarized world, accelerated world, these are configurations that can help us choose.

What to wear for the occasion, like the clothes that we choose to dress, the mind for the occasion, and somewhere there is the real inflection point. Not changing the world first, but changing the way we prepare to enter it. This has been a fascinating conversation in a real world exercise That we gotta learn a lot of things from, and I hope it's been the same for you.

We'd love to hear your thoughts, your feedback. So do write in to us. This is Inflection Point series and you've been listening to Innocence Theory. See you on the next one.